dashing: (♛ ùrnaigh.)
ᏂᏋᏒᎥᏗᏁ "ᏖᏂᏋ ᏦᎥᏝᏝᏠᎧᎩ" ᏗᎷᏕᏋᏝ ([personal profile] dashing) wrote in [community profile] therookery2018-05-11 12:31 pm

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FORM: Crystal
SENDER: Herian Amsel
RECIPIENT: Division Heads (and/or their stand-ins) project leaders & assist leaders, Saoirse & Myrobalan.
WHAT: An idea to tackle the rifter phylactery discusssion.
WHEN: Current
WHERE: Kirkwall
NOTES:



I apologise for making contact with you all after so recently sharing an update on the Chantry Relations project with the network, however I think we can agree that the matter of the rifter phylacteries and the reaction to them is a disruption to our work, and causing divisions amongst our ranks.

Following the hard work of those who attended Skyhold to negotiate the matters of the phylacteries and were faced with considerable opposition from the Templars and Chantry, I think it is key that they come to understand it is not Skyhold and the Inquisition that pushed for this measure, but those other agents.

I also come to you to propose an idea to counter. Given that the Chantry and Templars pressed the matter of phylacteries for rifters, the most effective way to work against it is to diplomatically persuade them of the dangers and risks that come with said phylacteries, and diffuse the idea without further fracturing of our alliances and resources.

One matter that has been raised is that, as we have so recently seen, phylacteries could be used to harm the rifters should they fall into enemy hands. Furthermore, they could be used by the Venatori to target and abduct rifters. We do not know what they could do with them, but their shards are powerful and important to our efforts, even if we were to neglect what the Venatori might use them for in order to further their goals.

If you have insights or ideas on what other arguments could be used to present to the Chantry and the Templars, I appeal to you now to share them with me so we can present a strong and effective argument. This is not solely a matter of concern for rifters, though I can confess my bias; this is for the sake of our Inquisition, and more importantly, the sake of Thedas. Interruptions to our work jeopardise our cause.

Those who would be willing to attend a meeting with Chantry leadership with me, please make yourselves known.
rowancrowned: (053)

[personal profile] rowancrowned 2018-05-11 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
I have members of my division looking into if such a thing is even possible, and I am arranging for a meeting with the four mages who entered negotiations.

[ so that everyone is on the same page. ]

Which members of the Chantry were present, and which Templars? What are their ranks and nationalities?

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thunderproof: (ϟ|sixteenth.)

[personal profile] thunderproof 2018-05-11 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
I would be willing to attend the meeting.

though how wanted she would be is another question —

The argument I have heard that I have no satisfactory answer for is what if Rifters are abducted by the Venatori? It's difficult to say in that situation that I care for my freedom more than I do for my well-being. Does anyone else have a better response?

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limier: ([ green: are you shitting me ])

[personal profile] limier 2018-05-11 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
[ don't send a loud teenager with no concept of respect to the meeting guys ]

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[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2018-05-11 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
The strongest response I can think of to that is other methods for tracking that don't involve the use of blood magic. We've tossed about the idea of modifying the sending crystals for it; it's not as foolproof as a phylactery, but it would offer some recourse against anyone with one going missing without our knowing.

There may be other techniques for scrying that simply haven't been investigated because we had phylacteries instead.

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[personal profile] aceso 2018-05-11 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
[ It's eerie how Herian's thoughts match Christine's own, seeing how Christine is a Libertarian and non-Andrastian now. But they both have a bias, since their significant other is a Rifter. ]

I wish I could come up with more than just that argument about the phylacteries falling into enemy hands. It is a very good one, but is still countered by the foolproof method of tracking.

[ She sighs. ]

Of course, this all relies on Rifters being able to have phylacteries made in the first place, but I fear they can, and if we say they cannot be made to protect the Rifters, others will wish to do tests of their own, to ensure we are telling the truth.
limier: ([ tan - what ])

[personal profile] limier 2018-05-11 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
[ dispassionately, ]

Skyhold and her allies are unlike to take a delay at face value.

[ considering the circumstances of the strike's inception. ]

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[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2018-05-11 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
And we'll have given them more reason to distrust us if we do lie about anything we might discover. I'd as lief not carry out any research in that direction, if we wanted to slow progress.

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[personal profile] rowancrowned 2018-05-11 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Consider the fact that the only others who are yet subjected to the phylacteries are criminals and prisoners.

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exequy: (177)

[personal profile] exequy 2018-05-11 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
When I first joined the Inquisition— [ a year late, compared to most of the rebellion, but this is no time for details! ] —many spoke of the rifters like a blessing. Gifts from the Maker. The spirit of the Herald enduring beyond death.

[ Nonsense. Not because he doesn't have faith, but he definitely doesn't have faith specifically in some of the people he's spoken to over the last few days. ]

Maybe you can make that fashionable again.
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[personal profile] rowancrowned 2018-05-11 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
Cloak ourselves in the imagery of the Chantry?

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faithlikeaseed: (blind - unamused)

not here

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2018-05-11 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
[He does not say, unexpose them to the rifters.

especially not because unexpose is a horrible word

But the less charitable parts of him are thinking it.
]
writteninblood: (Antirrhinum majus)

[personal profile] writteninblood 2018-05-11 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be willing to attend, though I'll not have much to say during such a meeting. [Not if they want it to go well, at least.]

I've a question, if we're being so open; if we assume phylacteries for the Rifters are possible, and desirable in their own right... [Dubious enough a conclusion, Sorrel is damn well sure.] ...So what? Even if we forced them to comply, assuming we wanted to, a great pack of resentful, shard-bearing people from beyond the Fade isn't exactly my idea of good neighbors or helpful agents.

Kirkwall's got a thin enough Veil as it is, that's all I'm saying. The Inquisition was supposed to be about not poking holes in it.
limier: ([ red - eyes closed ])

[personal profile] limier 2018-05-11 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
I assure you all involved aware of the danger Rifters pose.

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[personal profile] foxsays 2018-05-11 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
I would be willing to attend, I've been here a long time now in Thedas, I understand that there are concerns raised. That it's taken this long for it to come up is the surprise but those of us who were in Skyhold at the he same time as Seeker Pentaghast were asked to pledge or state or allegiance.

Is there, though, an argument that might be raised about magic serving man. If we are here, if we are dealing rifts, and contributing to more than that would that count in the eyes of the Chantry as magic serving man?

[The bare minimum has never been enough.]

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[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2018-05-11 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The Inquisition draws--and seeks to draw--support from all of Thedas, from believer and non-believer alike. Given the Chantry's reputation in dealing with the latter, [he doesn't need to list every March, every offense, when they've already spoken of it at length,] there may be a moral victory won in showing it invites rather than compels service even from rifters.

We would need a concrete case, though--an outside group powerful enough to be worth befriending, that would otherwise shy away from the heavy-handed use of phylacteries.

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[personal profile] degenere 2018-05-11 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
[Just kidding.]

I think--

[--And you were all stupid enough to ask him what he thinks, or else, Beleth was stupid enough to be hit by an experimental grenade and take confused and leave him with temporary authority--]

--that we should do whatever settles this issue most quickly and be done with it. As the Knight-Enchanter notes: interruptions to our work puts our cause at risk. The amount of time that has been spent in argument is as maddening as it is distracting.

What will be done about the Rifters posing dramatically and making threats? Gags? Hard candies, as for a child? Liquor, to put them to sleep for a time? Perhaps they might be allowed to take themselves elsewhere. Pain and threat may yet bring them around. And then these negotiations with the Chantry that you are all arranging for might be carried on, without any of us having to put up with a great deal of noise in the meantime, or falling into the danger of someone full of errant passion hiding in a saddlebag and popping out to shock all the good brothers and sisters of the faith at these new negotiations.

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Knight-Enchanter. I wished to let you know that I've stayed silent to this point largely because I don't wish to make a bad situation worse. I fear that as part of the party that, however reluctantly, conceded the point, I can do little without appearing to have negotiated in bad faith.

That said, I did want you to know that I think the thoughts about convincing the Inquisition that rifter phylacteries are bad for the organization, rather than for the rifters, are well-observed. And if there is a way I can usefully assist in the future, I will strongly consider it.

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