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ᏂᏋᏒᎥᏗᏁ "ᏖᏂᏋ ᏦᎥᏝᏝᏠᎧᎩ" ᏗᎷᏕᏋᏝ ([personal profile] dashing) wrote in [community profile] therookery2018-04-01 07:22 pm

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FORM: crystal
SENDER: all
RECIPIENT: Herian Amsel
WHAT: Chantry Relations stuff, Chant of Light chats
WHEN: early Cloudreach
WHERE: Kirkwall
NOTES: if you'd like to do an action thread feel free to have them drop into Herian's office in an action response to this post


Good morning, Inquisition. I am happy to report that the Committee have selected a design for the memorial gardens, with some modifications to make it as precisely to their satisfaction as possible, and we have progressed to its construction and landscaping.

For those Rifters freshly arrived who I have not yet had the pleasure of speaking with, my name is Knight-Enchanter Herian Amsel, and I presently serve as head of the Chantry Relations project. If there are any matters that I meant lend assistance with, or matters you require clarity on, please do not hesitate to speak with me. I am oft located in the Chantry Relations office within the former Templar tower of the Gallows, but so too can I be contacted by crystal. I am afraid what I have to speak of next may be a matter of some confusion without context.

What I wish to speak of are the Dissonant Verses. I imagine the name may be unfamiliar to most; they are not well known even amongst the faithful. They are the Canticle of Silence, the Canticle of Maferath, and the Canticle of Shartan. It is the last with which I am most concerned, this day.

Shartan the Liberator was an elf who fought alongside the Blessed Andraste, when they rebelled against the Tevinter Imperium. He was leader to the elven slaves who joined her numbers, and an essential force of her cause. When Andraste was sent to the pyre and the flames rose about her, Shartan and the elves set themselves upon the pyre in a desperate attempt to save her, but all of them were slain.

In recognition of their heroism and sacrifice, the elves were rewarded with a new homeland in the Dales, but when... with the Exalted March on the Dales in the Glory Age, Shartan's verses were removed from the Chant and deemed heretical. They were published in the New Cumberland Chant of Light six years ago, but their inclusion remains controversial, and given Divine Justinia's death, there is no guarantee that it will kept in future editions of the Chant, or even acknowledged.

I would be... interested in hearing your thoughts and feelings on the matter of the Chant of Light and the Canticle of Shartan, to gauge the Inquisition's general sentiments on this matter.
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[personal profile] kecharitomene 2018-04-01 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
( with some interest— )

I've never heard this.

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[personal profile] aenseidhe 2018-04-01 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
[ Iorveth was two seconds from dismissing this entire message when he heard 'Chantry' mentioned, having learned by now that the Chant of Light is the mass human religion, and likely another source for the many to tell the few to stay in line, even if their line is the shithole ghettos they live in.

But then we started talking about elves. The rest from there just had his blood boiling all the more. ]


If it's the truth, the thoughts and feelings of those offended by it should mean naught. [ Stated as if this is the most obvious conclusion. ] History, unlike some religions, is not a buffet which the followers can pick and choose from.

Assuming the Chantry Relations office cares more about the comrades of their savior than the disapproval of their current peers. [ aka, grow some balls, do the right thing, screw whoever's upset by it. Iorveth's people skills are terrible, but he's also seen this sort of thing happen too many times over hundreds of years, and he has no more patience for it. ]

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[personal profile] circleprodigy 2018-04-01 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Elven history -and existence- always tends to remain controversial. [Said dryly, almost absently. She's too busy to be bitter.]

In my not unbiased view, the canticle should be restored. Whether or not it will...well, I won't hold my breath.

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nadasharillen: (bummed)

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[personal profile] nadasharillen 2018-04-01 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
[considering Herian's feelings on the Dalish, Nari is surprised to hear the woman's note of hesitation when speaking of the Exalted March. She supposes that betrayal belongs to all elves. Picking and choosing between segments of the People may be something Dahlasanor never did, but it's still a favored pastime for too many. Elf-blooded, city elf, and Dalish alike.

That difficulty aside, the Canticle of Shartan is... important. Enough for her to adopt a quietly sincere and conciliatory tone.

Not yet enough to publicly broadcast her somewhat complicated feelings.]


It's Dalish history too. And not one oft mentioned in even the most accepting of the Clans, if at all. It won't change all minds to have the Canticle restored - perhaps it would reach only a few - but it would be a reminder that in at least one way we were once bound together in something other than death.

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[personal profile] sorcerised 2018-04-01 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Well this is interesting. Aro doesn't have context for, honestly, most of this, but he has to start somewhere. It's not really surprising to him that religion would be a matter of contention here. That seems to be the case everywhere. He's always gotten by with respecting all while subscribing to none. He fully intends to maintain that position.

So.
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I'm new to this world, and can't claim to know what politics are behind any of this. I imagine they're complex. But given that I can't reasonably be on anyone's side here, is it far to say I think this elf's verses should be remembered? He and his people helped when they were needed, at great cost to themselves. It seems right that history should remember them.

Unless there's something I'm missing. Why were the verses removed in the first place?

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[personal profile] limier 2018-04-01 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Justinia remains — however implicitly — our mandate to act as Inquisition.

It may be appropriate that we continue to support her prior actions, though controversial; I fear that any short-term gains of conservatism would be made moot, by those who seek to question our commission. If they are struck, by any party, it will weaken the position of a future Divine.

[ that's uh. not what was asked, buddy. ]

When did you first learn of them?
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[personal profile] justnice 2018-04-01 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Still doesn't seem like it's —

[ he wish-washes. it's herian, she's trusty as shems get, and only hardly one at all. still. still seems like everyone's playing some kind of grand joke, and none much laughing for it. ]

— Well, I don't know. You said there were two more, why were those ones left out?

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[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2018-04-01 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
In justice, it should be restored to the Chant.

[Which isn't all justice demands of the Chantry when it comes to elves--and Shartan's memory especially--but as he told Nari, this isn't something you noise about in polite company. Still--

It would do to be more vocal about it. Especially if asked.
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The Maker sent the Liberator and his people to our Lady's side, and they died in droves in the attempt to save her. To erase them from the record is an offense to Him as well.

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[personal profile] thunderproof 2018-04-01 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
May I please have a copy of this canticle, thank you.

crisp, brooking no argument, and FULL OF RAGE. the avowed of candlekeep are librarians first and historians only incidentally, but both of adalia's professional inclinations are offended at this idea. destroying history just because you're in a pique with the children of the heroes is not, unfortunately. a thedas-specific action. the victors of all of toril's wars choose the history as much as the humans here do. it's still disgusting, and should never happen. that it was done specifically to hurt elves, here —

well. she agrees with iorveth.

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[personal profile] coiledscales 2018-04-01 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It all sounds like ancient history to me. Interesting to study, but... of very little concern, at least for now.

I'd have to study the verses in question to see how it fits into the wider story your people tell one another. There are likely clues to be gained from that about the veracity of any or all of it.

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[personal profile] onlyhymns 2018-04-02 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
I think, um... [hesitant and yielding, as ever,] it's, uh, in the Inquisition's best interest to acknowledge the new information and... um, investigate it.

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[personal profile] utulien_aure 2018-04-02 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
I will not pretend to entirely understand the importance the Chant of Light holds in Thedas.

[Organized religion is...just. Odd.]

But people have the right to know their history. That includes the elves of Thedas... and its men as well. Living under a lie is no blessing, even when one does not know the lie exists.

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[personal profile] paladingus 2018-04-02 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
True as the Chant may be, all told, we know why the verses were stricken--or why Shartan's canticle was stricken, at least. Those who censored it were mortal humans, and they did it to justify things that maybe we ought rightly to be questioning now.

If the world has to be in upheaval, and the Chantry in shambles, I don't know that we need to set it back just as it was, glorifying of Exalted Marches and everything that goes with that. I don't think that serves us best, nor the Lady who loves us all.

[He's had Reasons to contemplate this before. Myr had only added a few more of them.]
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[personal profile] letoldthingsdie 2018-04-06 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
[Ah. It's the girl from before, who gave him such a warm welcome.]

Forgive my ignorance, Knight-Enchanter, but could you tell me more about this Chantry?

[He's showing a polite interest, having never heard of it.]

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